you're treating me like president obama. >> maybe 20 # of them. neil: okay, a good many saw it as a tax increase, but you don't. >> i don't. those are politicians, not tea party. neil: way are you? >> i'm just a citizen. you -- neil: there we go. okay, do you get a sense here that this is all going to fly well with the entire, say, conservative movement? including tea parties, everything else, might hold their nose because he's better than, let's say, the president. >> i think that's true. there's really only one thing heard that bothered me last night when he said the federal government has an important role to play in education. i mean, i really -- i had to choke when he said that. other than that, i thought what he said is going to play well across the entire base. neil: he didn't put a limit on it, but he did -- >> he said less regulation, which is the right language. i mean, how much less? i question what happens when he gets to dc. i don't have -- neil: turn on him in a second. >> that's the point. our job is to keep guys like mitt romney in